Episode 41

Never Too Broken To Be Rebuilt

9 41 Never Too Broken To Be Rebuilt

Martha Glory Kartaoui survived 26 years in a religious cult marked by physical, sexual, emotional, and spiritual abuse. In this gripping episode, she unpacks her transformation from controlled pawn to powerful healer. She explains what it means to be trauma-informed, how forgiveness became her lifeline, and why her journey to healing is proof that we’re never too broken to be rebuilt. Hosted by Elaine, this is a raw, hopeful, and galvanizing conversation that shines a light for those trapped in darkness.

💥 What We Talk About:

  • What it means to be a trauma-informed coach
  • How Martha escaped a high-control religious cult
  • The hidden cost of untreated trauma on the body
  • Why forgiveness isn't for them—it's for you
  • The breaking point that became her breakthrough
  • Her powerful concept of "Battle Angels"
  • Unbound: her upcoming healing event
  • Reclaiming your identity after long-term trauma

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Transcript
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When moving forward seems too much.

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When you feel totally out of

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touch,

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Hope is seeping out the

door, you find yourself.

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Curled on the floor.

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The thoughts swirl round

all jumbled and messed.

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Why is this brain so darkly obsessed?

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I have secrets I've never confessed,

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haven't told the soul I am depressed.

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A gentle whisper through the pain

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“Remember, rainbows follow rain.”

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Breathe deeply, hold on tight, Your

hope will return, shining bright..

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Embrace the now,

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release the past,

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In

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forgiveness, peace will last.

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You matter deeply,

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you are not alone.

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Reach out, let your strength be shown..

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Hello.

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I'm so happy to be back with you today.

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And today I have a lovely guest

that I know is really going to touch

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you deeply and I did something I

don't usually do, so I'm gonna.

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Introduce you a little bit differently.

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My guest name is Martha and I am

going to ask you please to pronounce

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your last name because I did not

ask you before we went on Air

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Martha K: Kartaoui

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: oh, thank.

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Thank you very much.

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There's nothing worse than pronouncing

someone's name incorrectly, and pardon

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me for being so remiss in not asking you.

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So I'm going to get Martha to tell us

a little bit about who she is and what

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she does before we get into her story.

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And I know this is gonna have some

really amazing nuggets for all of you.

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So without further ado,

Martha, take it away.

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Martha K: Thank you so much.

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First, Elaine, thank you for

having me on your platform.

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When I first met you, I was like.

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This woman, I just wanna hug you.

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Like it just, you resonated so deeply

with my soul, your message, your

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love, your generosity, the way that

you show up after all the things that

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you shared that you've been through.

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And pain recognizes pain, but

healing also recognizes healing.

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And so that's what I saw in

you as a journey of both.

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And that's.

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That feels very familiar for me.

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A little bit about me.

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So I am a speaker and author and a

trauma-informed coach, and all of that

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has become who I am because of the

things that I have dealt with in my life.

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I am on a mission and I have a very

focused vision that God put on my

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heart some time ago to be able to

walk alongside battle angels in

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order to help them take their next.

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Step on their healing journey.

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And so you're probably

thinking what's a battle angel?

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And I am I a battle angel?

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And a battle angel is somebody that has

been through trauma and is looking forward

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to stepping out of that and re-identifying

who they are and who they want to be.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Wow.

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I that so resonated the battle angel.

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That's beautiful.

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Absolutely beautiful.

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And I'd if you can take a moment

and just let people know what

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is a trauma informed coach.

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Martha K: Yeah, so a trauma informed

coach is somebody that has done extra

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learning, extra work to make sure that

we understand how trauma is stored in

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our bodies, how a trauma is stored in

our nervous system, how trauma is stored,

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and then how to ask the right questions,

how to hold space, how to create the

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environment to allow others to open up.

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To heal, to forgive, to step into

whatever it is that they're trying to do.

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It's, I have certifications

that have helped me understand.

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But I think even beyond the

certifications is the actual trauma

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journey that I've been on myself.

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My healing journey that I've been on and

over the last 14 years was the substance

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that created the desire to get further

education in order to do what I get to do.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

That, that's incredible.

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Thank you for expanding on that.

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'cause I think that's really important.

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It's a relatively new term and people hear

it and I've already been asked a couple

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of times like, oh, what does that mean?

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Which I think is amazing because something

that resonates so deeply that even when

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you don't understand it, you will react.

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I think that's what's really important.

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With that said let's dive into your

story and I'm really excited to, to

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hear the whole story and I'm gobsmacked

by how full of light and joy you are,

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which I just think is incredible.

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Martha K: Yeah, it's all

glory goes to God, right?

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Because I wouldn't be sitting in this

chair with this smile authentically

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being able to smile if it wasn't for the

graciousness of God, and understanding

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who I am and who I'm created to be.

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And that was why I was able to

take off the mask of all of the

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years of trauma and be able to step

into the woman that you see today.

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So going back, I don't think we

have enough time to tell my whole

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story, but We'll, I'll give you

the acorn version of my story.

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So I was born and raised in a

religious cult in Shawano, Wisconsin.

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And during the first 26 years of my

life, I was brutally, physically beaten.

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I was sexually assaulted.

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I was verbally assaulted,

spiritually traumatized,

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mentally, emotionally, all of it.

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I experienced levels of trauma.

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On all in all of those areas.

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So at 26 years of age, I finally

make the decision to leave the cult.

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I have to escape because I was living

in the compound with the leader and

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my every movement was monitored.

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My, every, everything I did

was monitored from going to the

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bathroom, to eating, to sleeping,

to everything I did was monitored.

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And I had to escape because you can't

just walk out and be like, bye that, yeah.

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I escaped during a divinely

ordained winter storm and, dove

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in headfirst into my new life.

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But the problem with diving into

a new life is that you don't

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know what's you don't know.

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And I found out that I didn't know

a lot and I was I was now free, but.

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My nervous system didn't know it.

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My body didn't know it, my mind didn't

know it, and I didn't have the tools

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to facilitate a normal existence in

this world that I knew nothing about.

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And so having to navigate with

these kid tools, because all I

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had was kid tools because I had

been controlled my entire life.

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I'd been isolated, I'd been

manipulated, I had been brainwashed.

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I didn't have the tools that a

26-year-old adult should have.

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So that led to a whole nother level

of trauma because I didn't know

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how to function in this real world.

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So fast forward five, six years,

my physical body is completely

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falling apart and I have migraines,

I have gastrointestinal issues.

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I have I have.

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Fibromyalgia.

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I have PTSD, complex, PTSD, and I,

every time I go to a specialist,

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I'm given another label and another

label, but nobody is looking at

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me and saying how do we fix her?

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How, everybody wanted to give me a pill,

but a pill does not fix what was going on

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with me, and there's no pill for trauma.

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And so what it came down to is that I was

in a continuing education class because

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I'm also a therapeutic massage therapist,

and I was in a continuing education class

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and I heard the professor say that she was

referencing a book called The Body Keeps

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the Score, and she said, your trauma is

stored on a cellular level in your body.

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That was a line that I'll never forget

because the bells and whistles in my

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head started going off and I was like,

this is what the specialists are missing.

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This is what nobody has ever said.

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Do you have trauma in your past?

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Do you have physical abuse?

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Do you have sexual abuse?

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Do you have brainwashing?

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Do you have control issues like that?

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Nobody ever asked me

any of those questions.

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And so when I heard that,

I was like, this is it.

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This has gotta be the key

to what's going on with me.

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And so that, now that I had something,

I started doing my own research,

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I started going to naturopathic

doing naturopathic modality such as

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biofeedback, neurofeedback, EMDR hypnosis.

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Anything to go inward to help me deal

with the trauma that had entangled

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itself in every fiber of my being.

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And what I've began to see very quickly

is as I started doing this inward work,

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my outside appearance began changing.

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I began to release weight.

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I began to have less headaches.

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My gastrointestinal issues became less.

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All of these things

just started improving.

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And that was because the outward

manifestation that I was seeing

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and why I was giving, getting

all these diagnosis were actually

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because I had this internal issue.

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And so the internal issue was the

trauma that I had experienced the

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first 26 years of my life that I

had hoped I could just leave in the

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past, that I would never have to.

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To deal with that, I would

never have to touch that.

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I would, I could just leave in that

dark black bag that I buried in

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the pond at the compound, right?

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But unfortunately, you drag it with you

everywhere you go, regardless of how

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good your life may look or feel or be.

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And because of that shadow of the

trauma that I was dragging around,

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I became a really good actor.

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I lived behind a mass.

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I lived, this persona was in public.

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I could put on the smile, I could

fake positivity, push through.

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I got this.

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And then at home I would completely break.

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I would break in my hus to my

husband because I had no tools.

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And so I was thriving professionally,

but my husband was hanging on by a thread

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dealing with all of my chaotic antics.

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Of this traumatized little

girl that he was married to.

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And I was having nightmares and night

terrors, and I was walking out of our

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house naked and like in just the trauma

was coming out in every way possible.

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And I didn't have the tools to deal with

it until I started this healing journey.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

That's incredible.

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And something I just wanted to pick up on.

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You were talking about all these western

medicine giving, giving you pills and

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what have you, and it's so sad to me

that western medicine tends to look

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at what's the symptom you're having

and they focus on that little thing.

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They don't take in the holistic person.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because if you look at the whole person.

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For one, you realize that all of

the systems are connected and it's

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not one little thing, probably

didn't start where it's happening

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has nothing to do with that.

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Yeah.

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And I could see once you, you probably

got into these other modalities,

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you were stitching this quilt back

together, but didn't have a map.

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Yeah, it's how I would put it for that.

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For that holistic, yeah, which

just absolutely incredible.

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26 years is a whole lifetime.

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Yeah.

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And that amount of trauma

over that amount of time.

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First, I have to give you kudos

for getting through it at all.

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Before you were 150, that's

just, it's a testament to your

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faith and your drive to be whole.

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Theme Music: Yeah.

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Martha K: Yeah.

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Thank you for saying that.

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'cause the, not every day do you

feel like that because there's been

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some dark in finding the light.

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I've had to go back through

the darkness and some of that

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has been extremely challenging.

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But the light is so much more who I am.

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And now I realize when I get to do

the things that I do now I realize

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that all of the things that I went

through have been curated to help

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me become the woman that I am now.

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So I don't have I no longer resent.

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Being a trauma survivor or the things that

I've been through, the sexual abuse, being

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starved for five months, being beaten,

breaking limbs that I were never healed.

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Like all of these things, I

don't resent them any longer.

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I've had to forgive the people

that, did these atrocities to

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me because they created this.

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Woman that understands trauma at its

core, but also understood the hope

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that I could find if I did the work.

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And so now I'm able to share that

with others and people have that

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hear my story are like she gets me.

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I'm not alone in how I'm feeling, and

I wouldn't be able to do that without

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having to have gone on this journey.

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There's plenty of great therapists,

I'm sure that haven't had the road

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that I have, but for me God felt it

important for me to have these ex.

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Experiences.

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Not that he caused these experiences,

but he knew that I would do the work

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to heal from them so that I could help

and resonate with others on their road.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Not only help

and resonate, but all of those traumas you

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took the lessons, which meant you built

on the empathy that you had for others.

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Martha K: Yeah.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Yeah.

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That's wonderful.

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Martha K: It's so true.

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You can't be the same.

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Once you've gone through the things that

I have and then gone through the healing

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journey I look at everybody as valuable.

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Every single person that I

meet, I see them as valuable

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because God didn't make evil.

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God didn't make junk.

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God didn't make trash right, and so

if I believe that I am made in the

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image of God, then I have to believe

that every other human is as well.

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There are people that are evil,

but they weren't born evil.

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Something happened to them that

they did not heal from, that they

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did not climb out of, and that

turned them into evil beings, right?

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Like I believe that to my core.

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So when I meet people, I see their

value more than I see their brokenness.

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Or to before I see their yuck, or before

I see their darkness, I see their value

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as a child of God as a human being made

in the image of God, just like I was.

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And so when you're able to see people

from that lens, everything changes.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Absolutely.

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And I have so much respect.

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For your faith and the strength of

your faith to really understand that

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because you're not just saying it.

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That is what you live and

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maybe someday I'll be a

better person 'cause I'm.

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Not quite there yet.

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On a few people.

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Just gotta be honest,

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Martha K: forgiveness is one

of the hardest things I've

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ever had to learn, right?

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And but when I came to understand

that forgiveness wasn't for them, that

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wasn't making their actions, okay?

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Forgiveness was actually for me to

allow my heart to expand and to allow.

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Soul to have the healing that it deserved,

then forgiveness became a lot easier.

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Because I remember having an argument with

my husband one time when he was like, how?

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How dare you forgive cult man?

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How dare you forgive that man

that raped that 8-year-old you.

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How dare you?

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And when I had to explain to my husband.

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No.

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This is not saying that their actions

that they did against me are okay, or

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that like I, no, I forgive them so that

I can make space in my heart for things

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that are not anger, resentment, pain.

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Like I had to make space for me and there

was no space for me because I was carrying

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around all of this other people's crap.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: So good.

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I know for myself, the hardest

one to forgive was actually me.

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Martha K: Yep.

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A hundred percent.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: And that

when you get there it's a, it's huge.

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A monumental milestone.

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I believe that forgiveness.

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But it's not the end all be all.

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It's just part of it.

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And I I think it's absolutely incredible.

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And I have to also say you chose a good

husband who had to go through it with you.

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I have a husband who.

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He got the whiny one.

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Other people say, you, you

spend your time, you're so happy

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once it's yeah, don't ask him.

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Yeah.

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I'm sunshine and light.

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No I'm not.

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Martha K: Now you're,

you're absolutely right.

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He was.

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On that journey with me at

the time that I needed him.

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And there is nobody that could have

supported me more selflessly than he did.

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And I will always be grateful for

the role that he played in my healing

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journey because I don't my family

didn't even know what I was going

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through because he carried it alone.

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And so I will always be

grateful for that role.

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Eventually.

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We did get divorced because I once I

became healthy and once I, bega became

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whole things no longer, he, I no longer

needed him in the same way and he didn't

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know how to not be needed in that way.

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And things just end up shifting, but I'm.

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He was there for a purpose.

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And I'm grateful that we're still friends.

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We're just not, we're not

meant to be married any longer.

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And that's okay because I was given

a very beautiful gift of him and for

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those 15 years to be able to help

carry me through on my healing journey.

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'cause I wouldn't have been able

to do it without his support.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

And that's wonderful.

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I'm glad you explained all that because.

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Often people don't, they tend to

dismiss the value of someone that

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has left our immediate sphere.

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And that's not always the case.

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Correct.

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So you've obviously been

gone for a long time.

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You've set up all this

new life and what was the.

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I don't wanna say turning point,

but what was the last leg of the

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marathon in and I understand, okay,

we're never done with our healing.

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I totally get that.

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But in that, but larger 26

years of work you had to do.

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What was the turning point or the point

where you could see the end of that road?

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Martha K: Yeah, that's

an interesting question.

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I don't think I've ever been

asked it in quite that way.

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And I really like that question.

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As you stated, we're never

done healing ready, right?

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There's never this end point where we're

like, pompoms up, we're finally healed.

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Let's, what it does mean is that as life.

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I have the tools now to be

able to roll with it and to

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get back on track much faster.

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Not to be derailed, not to go

on the emotional rollercoaster.

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I have the tools, right?

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So life still happens.

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But I have the tools now

that I didn't have before.

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But there are certain monumental

points where you're like, okay.

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This is big.

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And so a couple of those points

and that I can reference is

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my divorce was one of those.

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Because I had gotten to a point,

and we had gotten to a point in our

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marriage where we were roommates,

we were friends, we were co-parents,

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but we weren't we weren't we

weren't lovers, we weren't partners.

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We were No right.

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And I was scared to death.

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To make a decision to leave him because we

had built this whole me together, right?

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He had been my backbone for so

long, and we had built a house

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together and our children were,

like all the things that we had.

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And so me being like, I.

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I don't know what it's gonna look

like, but I know that I want more

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out of a partner, out of a spouse,

and having the courage to be able

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to say I need something different.

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And understanding that he was the

breadwinner, like understanding

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what that meant for me long term.

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And it was scary.

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I was.

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Fear ridden for a long time, but when

I finally did it, I the moment for me

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was understanding that all of the years

of work that I had done on myself, had

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prepared me for that moment as well.

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And he went out of his way to be

kind with me through our entire

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divorce, through selling the house

through every all the things, right?

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Because he had seen me go through

this journey and he knew this is

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the woman that I was now, right?

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It was.

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Like he had gone from the very worst of

the trauma and the nightmares and the

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night tears and having to hold me down in

bed at night because I'm trying to escape

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and I'm trying to fight and right, like

he went through all of these journeys

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with me and went through all of this.

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And so for him to see a courageous

woman that said, I want more.

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And he was proud of me and he was happy

for me because he didn't have the courage

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to for it himself because he hated change.

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But what he would tell you now is that

I gave both of us a chance to live.

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He's remarried, has his own children

and I couldn't be happier for him,

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but that was a moment for me where

I had to stand on my own two feet

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and I had to own who I had become.

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And he was proud of me.

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I was proud of me.

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But then Sky was the limit, right?

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I can do this, watch out.

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And so I moved to a different state.

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I built a retreat center

with my best friend.

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I spent a couple of years up there,

met a man they're all I've been

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living a full life and then moved

back home a couple of years ago.

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Started speaking, wrote my book.

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And so it was that moment

though of choosing me that there

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had to be something better.

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And having the courage to do that

was probably one of the most pivotal

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moments in my healing journey.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: That's amazing.

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It's so wonderful to not just hear you say

it, but see the joy in you as you say it.

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Thank you.

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Oh very welcome.

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And.

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I don't wanna bring up old stuff, but

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you did.

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You come from a big family.

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Martha K: So I have nine

brothers and sisters.

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My parents got out of the cult

about six months after I did, and

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eight of our siblings are out.

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We still have one that's still there.

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My parents marriage made it.

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They are still married.

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They're getting ready to celebrate

55th anniversary next week.

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And they, we, and I'm just so proud of

them because it would've been easier

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to be like, I, how do we repair this?

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How do we repair our family?

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But they've done the work too to support

all of us siblings and my siblings and I

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have very different stories because I was

the only one that lived in the compound.

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I was the only one that had.

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Certain experiences, but all of them have

adverse experiences because of the cult.

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Some ended up in drugs, some

ended up in alcohol, some ended

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up in trying to commit suicide.

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There's so many, all of my siblings

have a story and we've, they've all

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struggled with mental health issues or

alcohol or drugs or any of those things.

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Su suicidal ideation.

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Because they were trying to numb, because

they were trying to run, and I'm just

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so grateful to support or to report

that the majority of them have climbed

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out of those holes and are working

really hard to reclaim their lives.

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And I've been out 20 years and

the majority of my siblings have

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been out a lot longer than that.

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But time doesn't heal.

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You have to heal.

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So me taking this journey has given

permission to my siblings to start their

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own journeys, and that's been the ripple,

the beautiful ripple effect that I get

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to be part of because I chose to start.

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And then my other siblings were like,

oh, we don't have to be on drugs.

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That's really cool.

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Let's, and so it's been a really

beautiful ripple effect that I've gotten

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to watch unfold in my entire family.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna:

That's beautiful.

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All those people that you gave a hand

up to be saved is absolutely incredible

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because very often when we are wounded,

when we have that much trauma, it's all

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we can do to get ourselves out of it.

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Many don't.

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Look at those around them, or

they just don't have the mental

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capacity to reach out to the others.

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So that in itself makes you very special

and I'm so happy for your parents

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and your other siblings, but for your

parents' marriage to make it, yeah.

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Beyond that takes a lot of work too.

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So what's on the horizon for you?

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Martha K: Wow.

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God has put this huge.

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Vision in my heart, this huge mission

on my heart and it keeps growing.

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And I'm just, when you feel like you're

like, God, am I really qualified and

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God's seriously have I not showed you for

the last 14 years how qualified you are?

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And so it's a really

exciting season for me.

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I'm putting together a trauma healing

event in September 12th through 14th.

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In Raleigh, North Carolina, and the link

is actually show showing up right now.

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It's the event's called Unbound

and it's, you're, we're gonna have

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incredible speakers, but it's also

going to be about taking your next.

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Step, whatever that is, creating workshops

in order to support that creating.

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There it is just gonna be,

it's gonna be phenomenal.

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And so if you're ready to take your

next step, then please, reach out to

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me, look at the unbound information.

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Would love to see you there.

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That's just huge on my

heart that God has said.

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I'm ready for you to do and

take this to the next step.

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And I'm so excited that it's coming to

fruition and that it's going to help so

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many, and it's more than just the people

that are gonna be in the room like we

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just talked about, the ripple effect.

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When we become the highest and best

versions of ourselves, we can't help

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but allow it to ripple out to everybody

else that we know, our friends,

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our family, our children, our jobs.

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Because when you.

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When you shift in that way, when

your mind set shifts you and you

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start that healing process, there

is a snowball effect that happens, A

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positive snowball effect that happens.

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So I'm so excited about the people that

are gonna be in the room, but also the

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ripple effect that will happen inevitably

because these people are taking a chance

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on themselves and saying, I'm ready,

which is really exciting and powerful.

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I'm also working on two more books

right now, so I have one book

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out right now, glory Going All

In on Amazon, and I'm working on

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two more books right now as well.

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And I'm also coaching, so that's,

and all my links are in my link tree.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Absolutely.

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And everything also will be down below

in the transcription of the show notes

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and ways to connect with you, et cetera.

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I think Unbound sounds

amazing, absolutely amazing.

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I've never been, I've never stopped in

North Carolina so that's interesting.

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I.

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I would like to ask you if you could,

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if somebody's watching who is in

perhaps sadly, a similar situation

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as you, those first 26 years, what

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direction would you offer.

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To maybe start their process to work on

getting to be able to heal themselves.

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Martha K: Yeah.

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Loneliness is the number one reason

why we stay stuck because we think that

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no one else is going to understand us.

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We think that no one else has

been through what we have, and

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we allow that loneliness to.

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Keep us stuck.

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And so what I would say to that

person is, I see you, I was you.

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I see the pain.

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I see the loneliness.

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I see that you don't know

where to turn, but you have

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to know that you're not alone.

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There are people that will understand.

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There are communities that

you can join to support you.

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There are so many free resources

now that we have the internet that

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20 years ago when I was looking for

resources weren't available to me.

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So I, the first thing

that I would ask is just.

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Tell yourself you're not truly alone.

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And even bigger than that,

you've never been alone.

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God's always been there.

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Don't allow the loneliness

to keep you stuck.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Such

good information because we don't

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realize that we're not the only one.

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And that is a theme.

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Through so much to do with mental health,

to do with suicidal ideation and suicide

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loss and consideration, all of those

things, anxiety, depression, trauma.

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It all makes you feel

one against all else.

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And you're absolutely right that,

that loneliness that alone feeling.

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Being cut off from everything

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Theme Music: Yeah.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Is

what people have to get through

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in order to open up to others.

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Yeah.

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Which I think is so important.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: Wow.

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I did tell you audience that this would

be a very powerful show and I think it's.

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It's so very evident where you are

in life now that people can't help

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but look at where you've come from

and where you are now and think,

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wow, I would like some of that.

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And I, I think that's important

as well, because until we

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really want for ourselves.

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That adds to that loneliness

and that stuckness.

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Martha K: Yeah.

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Elaine @TheDarkPollyanna: So I

thank you for that as well because

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it has certainly it certainly comes

through in how you speak and what

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you speak about, and the feeling I

think will resonate with so many.

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I have to thank you so much,

Martha, for joining us today.

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I I'm really quite, impressed by you and

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there's a feeling of lightness comes from

listening, which which is a real gift.

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So thank you so much.

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As I said before, you'll find everything

below in show notes and transcription

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so you can look into Martha's book.

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You can follow up and find her.

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As she said, Link Bio has everything

on it, . And until next time, thank you

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so much for joining us, and please be

sure to make the most of your today.

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Every day, and we'll see you again soon.

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