Ottawa Blues for Youth: A Lifeline in Every Lyric

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When moving forward seems too much.

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When you feel totally out of touch

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the door you find yourself.

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Curled on the floor.

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The thoughts swirl around

all jumbled and messed.

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Why is this brain so darkly obsessed?

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I have secrets I've never confessed.

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Haven't told the soul,

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I'm depressed.

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A gentle whisper through the pain.

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Remember rainbows follow rain..

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Breathe deeply.

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Hold on tight.

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Your hope will return

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shining.

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bright

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In forgiveness, peace will last.

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You matter deeply,

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You are not alone.

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Reach out, let your strength be shown.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: Hello.

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Hello.

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It's so good to be back.

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I'm Elaine Lindsay the Dark Pollyanna.

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This is suicide Zen forgiveness

and I am really thrilled

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today to bring you a little.

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A bit of a change in routine.

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We're going to look at an event that's

coming up with Anita Manley and Dr.

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Zachary Kaminski.

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Thank you both for joining me today.

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Anita Manley: Thank you for having us.

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: Thanks so much.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: We it's not

often I get to show off things

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right here in Ottawa, Canada.

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So this is going to be all about

the Ottawa Blues for Youth.

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We're going to talk about the upcoming

event, mark the calendars September

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20th and 21st, and we have all the

deets for you right here as usual.

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I'm gonna pass things off to my guests

so they can tell you what's what,

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and we're just gonna dive right in.

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Why don't you tell us what exactly

is Ottawa Blues for Youth and.

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Where did it start?

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Anita Manley: Oh, thanks

Elaine, very much.

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So this is our fifth annual Ottawa Blues

for Youth fundraiser presented by Be Lets

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Talk and yeah, it started just in 2020.

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During the Pandemic, I've always

wanted to do a fundraiser for mental

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health and a musical fundraiser

specifically for mental health.

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And I had.

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Big plans.

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But I decided to start small and I, at the

time, I had a family member who was really

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big into the Ottawa Blues music scene.

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A very well-known local band who since

moved to Toronto the Jesse Green Band

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and, so from that, I knew a lot of

blues musicians and and I go to a local

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establishment, Irene's Pub, a lot on

their blues night on Thursday night.

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So I just decided on the name

Ottawa Blues for Youth and I

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decided to bring blues musicians.

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Together to perform and to raise money

for youth mental health through the Royal.

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I'm a longtime volunteer at The Royal.

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I don't volunteer there anymore,

but I was a longtime volunteer for

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over 13 years and I just and the

yal saved my life back in, in: 2011

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and I was there for seven months.

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So I decided to give back to the

institution that helped to save me.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: Oh,

one, thank you very much.

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That is awesome.

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Thank the Royal for saving you and yeah.

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Blues does an awful lot, I

believe, for mental health.

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I'm heartening back to

last summer and jelly roll,

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which I thought was pretty

incredible for those who.

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Maybe didn't hear me lamenting the

fact that I couldn't get there.

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Last year, jelly Roll came to Ottawa

Blues Fest and he took a tour of the

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Royal, which I thought was pretty

incredible to take the time to go.

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And I know he interacted with some

patients and with some of the staff.

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And everything I heard

was super, super positive.

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Anita Manley: Yeah, music has this way

of, re releasing energy, positive energy

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and and lifting our spirits, and so I

just really find a musical fundraiser

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to fit well with raising money for.

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Mental health.

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So over the last four years,

we've raised over 116,000.

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And yeah, this year we've grown

to a bigger location because we

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outgrew Irene's Pub, which could

all, the capacity was only a hundred.

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So now we're at the Gladstone Theater

on , Saturday, September 20th, and,

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yeah, it seats 223 people, so it's

more than doubled our capacity.

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And there's room for dancing.

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The sound is amazing.

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And it features Atlanta j

Brown, and the JW Jones Band.

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So we're really excited to have them.

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And it also features a very

exciting, silent auction.

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And yeah oh did you wanna say something?

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Yeah,

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@TheDarkPollyanna: I was just, I was

waiting for you to say and I also heard

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there would be a doctor in the house.

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Anita Manley: Oh yes.

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Dr.

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Kaminski, who is here with us

today he will be our guest speaker,

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but not only that, he will also

be performing an electric violin

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solo and we always appreciate his

tremendous support at the event.

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But the money goes to the economic

support team and maybe Dr.

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Kaminsky can tell us more about that.

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: Sure.

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Yeah.

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And of course it's always a

pleasure to get, to play a bit

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at the beginning of the event.

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But really the highlight is in

sharing this really exciting

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intervention called the Youth

Nominated Support Team Intervention.

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It's a an intervention that we're running.

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Here in Ottawa for local Ottawa youth.

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And effectively what it is we know

that the time after being discharged

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from hospital is a particularly

risky time for suicide in general.

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Periods of transition are, but

when one leaves care and is sort.

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Out without care, they can be

at risk of elevated suicidal

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crisis, suicidal thought.

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And years ago, actually during the

pandemic one of the members of of

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suicide prevention, Ottawa was a

mom with lived experience and she'd

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had a son I believe, who had been

in and out of hospital systems.

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And she came across this study on

the youth nominated support team

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intervention, and said, Hey, this might

be perfect to try to implement in Ottawa.

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So she brought it to those of us at

Suicide Prevention Ottawa, which is just

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a network of hospitals and youth Services

Bureau, PLEO all the sort of area agencies

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interested in eliminating suicide.

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And we basically tried to get

this up and running and have

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been able to do that with.

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The help and with the funds from the

Ottawa Blues for Youth effectively.

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What it does is when youth leave

hospital, they are connected by this

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intervention to a team that they nominate

of caring adults, caring supporters.

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It's a bit structured, but

effectively they reach out over a

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period of time and it really works.

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We see that it's reducing

suicidal thought by six weeks

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and it is eliminating people's.

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Desire to die by suicide.

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It's taking folks who have had a

plan to die by suicide and they

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report no longer having a plan.

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So it's really exciting to, to have

something that is being run here

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in Ottawa, locally supported in

Ottawa by Ottawa Blues for Youth.

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That's I'm happy to, of course, expand

on anything that you'd be interested

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in, but that's what it is in short.

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Anita Manley: Yeah, and I just wanted

to let you know, Elaine, that as Zach

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said, it's supported by Ottawa Blues for

Youth, but currently that we Ottawa Blues

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for Youth are the only source of funding

for this youth nominated support team.

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If it wasn't a.

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For this event, then there would be, they

would have to go elsewhere for funding.

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And it co I heard recently a

report that it costs: 1200

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$1,500 per youth per year.

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And if we sell out this year at

both events, the after party on

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Sunday, September 21st as well

at Irene's Pub, including the

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Gladstone Theater on September 20th.

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If we sell out, we'll make, over $12,000.

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So that will help just with

ticket sales that will help us

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save the lives of 10 local teens.

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Yeah, we're really encouraging

people to buy tickets and we do

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have some big sponsors as well.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: Okay.

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I'm just going to

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change one thing you just said.

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When you sell out, you are going

to be able to help 10 teams.

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Anita Manley: Okay.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: So fine.

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Anita Manley: Just should I say that or

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@TheDarkPollyanna: I just did?

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You can reiterate it for Absolutely.

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Anita Manley: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Powerful when we sell out yeah.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: So they don't

call me Pollyanna for nothing.

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Maybe a little dark but the

Pollyanna bit is still winning.

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I love the concept.

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I'm shocked that it's the only

thing that funds that group.

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Because to me, that is

so incredibly important.

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I come from a time where

there was nothing for us.

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Nothing.

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We didn't know what to do.

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We didn't understand

what was happening and.

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As a teenager and through my twenties

as I lost more and more people,

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there was nowhere for us to turn.

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It was for one so long ago.

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I'll be 70 years old this year, so it was

quite a while ago, but it is uplifting

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to see what's happening now, to see

everything that the Royal has put in place

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and to see all that you, Anita and others

are trying to do in terms of fundraising

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to work on suicide prevention Dr.

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Kaminsky, can you either give

us a little idea of what sort

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of research you are doing and.

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Both of you maybe let me know

where you think there's an avenue

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that perhaps people in Ottawa

can step up and do a little more.

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: Yeah.

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I think, understanding and evaluating

this intervention is of course, key

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for what we're talking about today

and when it comes , to stepping up.

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And what can be done.

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Really the crux of this intervention

and why we see it's working

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is it, it's about connection.

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We know that and some of the other

research I've done supports this.

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For example, we've looked on social media.

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We've looked at those folks who have

tweeted back, on social media with

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suicidal thought, and we've also looked

at the people that respond to them, and we

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actually see something really interesting.

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And what that is that we can

track people's suicide trajectory

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over time after they put that out

there, after they say that they're

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thinking about killing themselves.

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And we can see those people

that are getting better and

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those people who aren't.

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And what we see is pretty intuitive.

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It makes sense, but it's always

nice to see it in numbers.

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And that is that the people who

have responses, the people who have

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been connected, they do better.

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The people who had

people reach out to them.

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So we can step up just

by talking about suicide.

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We can step up.

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By asking about suicide,

don't be afraid to ask.

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It's a myth, in fact, that

asking about suicide will cause

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someone to think about it.

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In fact, it can open up a conversation

that can lead people to seek help.

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And, this youth nominate

support, team intervention.

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It's it's really just about connecting

people with those who may not have known.

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That a youth was in distress may not have

known that they could just by reaching

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out consistently and being in touch,

that would help with treatment adherence.

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It would help with if someone was in

crisis reaching out to, to enact a safety

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plan, to get back into hospital if.

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Necessary.

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It's supported by big data in our social

media artificial intelligence work.

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All of this points to this simple fact

that connection is really important.

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And, you can step up by connecting,

by coming to Ottawa Blues for

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Youth that will help us really fund

keeping this intervention going.

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It will help.

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Effectively bring this to the forefront.

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Let everyone know that it's important.

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And I would say if you're ever

nominated you can step up and choose

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to be part of the team because we do

see that it really makes a difference.

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Yeah.

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So maybe I'll stop.

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Anita Manley: So I just wanted to say

the Youth Nominated Support team, and I'm

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not sure if Zach mentioned this, I, is

that what happens is the youth at risk

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through the support team does nominate.

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Three to four adults.

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It could be a parent, it could be

a religious leader, it could be a

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coach, it could be an older sibling

anywhere, anyone that they trust in

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their network and they nominate them.

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And then what happens is these peers

are trained on how to help and support

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this youth through their suicide.

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Ideation, et cetera, to help support them.

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And please jump in Zach, if I'm saying

it incorrectly, but but this is this

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is the wonderful thing about the youth

Nominated support team is that, is

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the youth actually nominates people

that they trust in their network

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and they're trained to support them.

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And the best thing about this is

now these three to four people are

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trained not only to support that

youth, it just flows from there, right?

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Like they're trained to actually.

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Be able to support other teens

in, in in their network as well

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: no, that's exactly right

Anita, and thank you for bringing that up.

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And what you mentioned there,

I think is really important.

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Some of our other research shows that,

when it comes to reaching out and

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responding to people, it, it matters.

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If you have a connection with

them, it matters if you know them.

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The closer they are to you, if

you've nominated them yourself

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you're likely to get more impact.

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From that interaction, which I

think is really one of the the

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cruxes of why the youth nominate

support team intervention works.

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So well, that being said, I wanna point

out, people don't have to be experts.

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They don't have to they're not trained

to, to do a suicide intervention.

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It's not as complicated as that.

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It's really just understanding what might

be going on with the youth if they have

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a particular type of mental disorder.

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What is that?

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Just destigmatize and understand what

what might help them as opposed to feeling

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intimidated there's not a heavy burden.

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But those skills are transferrable

and it does go out into the community

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and build the sort of safety net

and expand that across Ottawa.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: I absolutely love that.

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Anita, just gimme one second.

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'cause I

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Want to say the fact that the youth

are nominating these people, you've

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already got past the first few hurdles

of getting comfortable with someone.

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Because as much as there is

a group in Toronto started

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something called the Mentor.

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And they teach people to

mentor and that's great.

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But you're, they're coming from

quite often a stranger perspective.

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So for someone coming out of

post-hospital stay, you don't

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have that, that early connection.

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You don't have a basis for the trust

that's needed and in this case you do.

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And being able to train people well, yes,

of course that's gonna translate into be

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able to do it for others because not only.

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When you learn these types of skills,

not only do you take them with you,

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you take that, I don't know, intrinsic

trust factor that can be felt by others.

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And I think that's just incredible that

you've already that's four steps in.

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To helping people and being able to make

that become bigger waves in the community.

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So sorry to, to step in.

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No, yeah, go ahead.

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Anita Manley: Certainly, like

what I love about it is that

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it totally empowers the youth.

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Like the youth basically are in charge of

nominating who's going to support them.

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And, as Dr.

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Kaminsky said, it's about connection.

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But I would also say that it and.

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Please say differently if you want Dr.

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Kaminsky, but I would also say

that it involves courage as well.

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Like courage and connection and empowering

youth and it's just a and it works.

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The program works.

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Yeah, come out and, buy tickets and

enjoy music and, buyer, a auction

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item and support Ottawa Blues for you

so that we can help save more lives.

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: There,

there is one other thing.

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I think is really key there.

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And that is really that it is courage and

it's courage on the part of the youth as

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well to reach out and share their stories.

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A lot of the work is done by

folks at PLEO to help identify

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who those members of the youth.

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Nominated team will be and the

youth are very courageous to, to

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join the intervention and share.

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And yeah.

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Come on out to Ottawa Blues for Youth.

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I'll echo Anita there.

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Anita Manley: Yeah.

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And there is just to, to plug the

after party there is an after party.

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It's not in the wee hours of the morning.

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It's the next.

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Day on Sunday, September

21st at Irene's Pub.

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You'll be able to see Dr.

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Kaminsky there as well, playing his

electric violin solo and doing a fireside

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chat with myself and Diane from PLEO.

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And yeah, there'll be some prizes

and giveaways and a lot of fun music.

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Al Wood in the Woodsman and a

teen band called Cast Back and

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they're absolutely fabulous.

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Yeah, so it will be a

lot of fun there as well.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: Can you please

explain Cleo give us the actual title

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since Diane was unable to join us today.

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Let's give them a little plug as well.

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'cause I knew, I know they do great work.

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Yeah, so go ahead Zach.

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Dr Zach Kaminsky: Sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah they're really key to this

intervention and one of the reasons

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I wanted to bring them up a moment

ago, PLEO stands for, or at least

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it used to stand for, that's

their official name now is PLEO.

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Yeah.

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But it used to stand for Parents'

Lifeline of Eastern Ontario and it's

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full of both staff and volunteers,

many who have had lived experience.

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In the mental health system

in Ottawa and helping navigate

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youth and teens through it.

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So there's a lot of knowledge and

wisdom there in the folks that are

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helping to run the intervention.

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And that really that really a key

to having this work really well.

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Anita Manley: Yeah.

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So they support the

families of, at-risk youth.

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@TheDarkPollyanna: Perfect.

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Perfect.

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That's exactly what we needed to hear.

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We tend to be a very acronym.

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Related city here in Ottawa.

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And people sometimes hear it and

then they don't quite catch it.

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So we want them to be able to

know who else is involved and

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what else is being done, which I

think is absolutely incredible.

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Again, that's September 20th and 21st.

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On the 21st, it's an after party

on the 20th, it's at the Gladstone.

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Theater, which is an absolutely wonderful

space in the west end of Ottawa.

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Ottawa Blues for youth.com.

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It's where you're gonna go.

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You can see right at the bottom of

the screen we've got the link for

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you there along with the dates.

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If you have any questions, we

will have all the information,

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the numbers, the links, et cetera

in the show notes as per usual.

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And barring anything else, if you

haven't found someone to talk to,

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you can always give me a call.

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Everybody knows that.

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So I wanna say thank you

so much to Anita and to Dr.

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Kaminsky for coming aboard and telling us

all about this wonderful musical event.

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And I think there is nothing better

than empowering our youth and doing

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things that are going to save lives.

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That what more can you possibly want?

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I hope.

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The tickets are going

out the door right now.

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I know it's going to be a sellout and

I look forward September 20th and 21st.

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Make sure you put it on

your calendar as well.

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Thank you so much, Anita and Dr.

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Kaminski.

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I'm Elaine Lindsay.

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